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    I'd have to go with Martha.

    Mr. Brown financial and economic philosophy is simply unwise. Being a fiscal conservative, one only has to look at past fiscal conservatives to study the success rate of our past economy. Mr. Reagan lest the USA with the largest debt it had ever experience. Mr. Bush, Sr, followed with an even bigger debt four years later. Finally, Mr Bush, Jr, left office last year, trumping all previous fiscal conservative contenders for the spot, with the largest debt in US history. Oh, and starting a economic collapse during his final year. Now, that 'Tax and Spend Liberal' Mr. Clinton ended his years in office with a surplus. So, would I want an individual who is for being irresponsiblity with my money, and having me paying for stuff long after he's left to pursue his life's dream as Empor----er---President of the USA (like Mr. Rommey)? No, not really.

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    Neither Bush was a true conservative and the younger Bush being one of the biggest idiots who ever held the office.Neither was the sharpest tool in the box but the Elder Bush was more than a good man and a true American Hero. GWB was a known idiot but unfortunately the Dems chose (on two separate occasions) to run the only people in the country who couldn't win against this idiot. Any of the other primary candidates whould of won handily. Its too bad the current administration is still following in his footsteps with foreign policy and the Patriot act.

    The largest debt the USA has ever experienced was just laid on us by the current administration. A debt that will certainly change the lives of our children and grandchildren and not for the better.

    Mr Clinton had the benefit of the taxes from the Internet boon that soon went away. The other advantage Clinton had was he dramatically shrunk the size of the federal payroll. Unfortunately he only cut the size of the Military and not the breaucracy. Now the breaucracy (both in Washington and on Beacon hill) are at epic levels and due to our growing problems abroad the Military has had to expand.

    Claiming Romney wanted to be Emperor along with the Democrats Good All Republicans bad (even though they are all doing just about the exact same things like sinking the country with debt) shows signs that the illness that swept the country during the last election (BDS) Bush Demnetia Syndrome is still active.

    You rail against past debts but ingnore the fact the we tripled them in a 3 month period (with more to soon come). I sense that in your world only Republican debt is bad debt and Democrat debt is good debt. Did you find fault with Cash For Clunkers where it only took $24,000 to hand out $4000 to people who could afford to buy new cars while the unemployment numbers kept sprialing up to the highest levels since the depression? I bet some of your best friends are Republicans!
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    The largest debt the USA has ever experienced was just laid on us by the current administration.


    Yeap, the Bush Administration. Couldn’t agree with you more. Oh, you mean the new one? No, the chief difference between Mr. Bush and Mr. Obama is about 100 I.Q. Points, and a few educational levels. The current debt, is really the stuff from the previous administration’s ‘wise’ thought on how economics work. Apparently, they did not think a lot of things through, nor, looked very far down the road of the future, for how events might play out.

    Mr Clinton had the benefit of the taxes from the Internet boon that soon went away.


    That makes very little sense. You seem to make the argument that some how, Mr. Clinton, and his economic team, was able to gleam with perfect accuracy in to the future, to know how things would work out? The Internet boom, did not have a lot to do with the political landscape at the time. It was to America’s favor, things went the way they did, and not a reversal. Using government funds to help grow key markets early on, did certainly help the rest of the train, out of the station.

    The other advantage Clinton had was he dramatically shrunk the size of the federal payroll. Unfortunately he only cut the size of the Military and not the breaucracy.


    Maybe my understanding of how spending actually gets accomplished in the USA, is different from yours. In mine, the Legislative branch does the spending (and arguing), not the executive branch. That would mean Congress (the House and Senate), decided on who got paid what. In that regard, it was Republicans that were in control in those days. Remember the ‘Contract with America’? That was during Mr. Clinton’s Administration. Mr. Clinton did make recommendations to reduce the size of the military, but it was Congress that decided on the details.

    Now the breaucracy (both in Washington and on Beacon hill) are at epic levels and due to our growing problems abroad the Military has had to expand.


    Go thank Mr. Bush and his goons. They are the ones that did that. Mr. Bush and Republicans expanded the size of the US Government, while pointing at Democrats (who had a small minority at the time), and saying it was their fault.

    Claiming Romney wanted to be Emperor along with the Democrats Good All Republicans bad (even though they are all doing just about the exact same things like sinking the country with debt) shows signs that the illness that swept the country during the last election (BDS) Bush Demnetia Syndrome is still active.


    Ok, that ramble makes absolutely no sense.

    You rail against past debts but ingnore the fact the we tripled them in a 3 month period (with more to soon come). I sense that in your world only Republican debt is bad debt and Democrat debt is good debt.


    I rail against poor decisions making, and then, not taking responsibility for said decisions made. The Republican Party, for the last twenty to twenty-five years, have constantly pointed fingers of accusation at Democrats, when they get out of line. But, when they themselves are out of line, they put the ‘spin’ machine on over-drive. Republicans hate regulations and laws. Regulations and laws are meant to keep people responsible. So, if a group hates being responsible for its words and actions, wouldn’t it make sense, they’d be against regulations and laws? On the topic of debt; Any debt, is generally bad. It lowers one’s equity, increases fines and penalities, and is a major pain in the _ _ _.

    Did you find fault with Cash For Clunkers…


    Nope. Did not study the subject well enough to say whether it was good or not. From what little I did hear, it sounded like it was pretty popular, and a lot of Americans bought cars. Are you against Americans buying US cars? But the official title was ‘Car Allowance Rebate System (CARS)’ in government records. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cash_for_clunkers

    … where it only took $24,000 to hand out $4000 to people who could afford to buy new cars while the unemployment numbers kept sprialing up to the highest levels since the depression? I bet some of your best friends are Republicans!


    That makes absolutely no sense. $24,000 to hand out $4000? So, if the ‘CARS’ cost $3 Billion, and you say it took “$24K to had out $4K”, that would mean, we spent $18 Billion, to decided on $3 billion? According to the Government Accounting Office, the cost to create the program was a lot less then $100 million. Heck, it was a lot less then $20 million.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ghostdog View Post
    The largest debt the USA has ever experienced was just laid on us by the current administration. A debt that will certainly change the lives of our children and grandchildren and not for the better.

    Mr Clinton had the benefit of the taxes from the Internet boon that soon went away. The other advantage Clinton had was he dramatically shrunk the size of the federal payroll. Unfortunately he only cut the size of the Military and not the breaucracy. Now the breaucracy (both in Washington and on Beacon hill) are at epic levels and due to our growing problems abroad the Military has had to expand.

    You rail against past debts but ingnore the fact the we tripled them in a 3 month period (with more to soon come). I sense that in your world only Republican debt is bad debt and Democrat debt is good debt. Did you find fault with Cash For Clunkers where it only took $24,000 to hand out $4000 to people who could afford to buy new cars while the unemployment numbers kept sprialing up to the highest levels since the depression? I bet some of your best friends are Republicans!
    Gotta love the voice of reason.

    Two sides of the same political coin. The Village Idiots keep saying, "MY side is better than YOUR side" without realizing both teams are moving towards the same goal, they're just taking different paths to get there. Way to go, you all took the blue pill and are making their job easier.

    Those who have taken the red pill realize there is a third path to a completely different destination.

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    Well I have to correct a statement made by Ghostdog concerning the Federal Debt and our current administration. Our current Federal Debt has several main causes (1) a reduction in income tax levels to the wealthy (2) our sinking economy contributing to less tax revenues (3) the costs of both the Iraq and Afganistan wars (4) the Bank bailout programs and (5) the recent Economic Recovery Program. The first four of these can be attributed to or happened during the Bush administration and only the last one.....the Economic Recovery Program can be attributed to the present Obama adminstration. I have seen objective estimates that show the Obama Administratons contribution to the Federal Deficit to be in the area of 18% of the over all deficit. I know its a common misconception that the Obama administration is responsible for our debt load today but that is entirely untrue !

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    Well I have to correct a statement made by Ghostdog concerning the Federal Debt and our current administration. Our current Federal Debt has several main causes (1) a reduction in income tax levels to the wealthy (2) our sinking economy contributing to less tax revenues (3) the costs of both the Iraq and Afganistan wars (4) the Bank bailout programs and (5) the recent Economic Recovery Program. The first four of these can be attributed to or happened during the Bush administration and only the last one.....the Economic Recovery Program can be attributed to the present Obama adminstration. I have seen objective estimates that show the Obama Administratons contribution to the Federal Deficit to be in the area of 18% of the over all deficit. I know its a common misconception that the Obama administration is responsible for our debt load today but that is entirely untrue !

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    Quote Originally Posted by Highpockets View Post
    Well I have seen objective estimates that show the Obama Administratons contribution to the Federal Deficit to be in the area of 18% of the over all deficit. I know its a common misconception that the Obama administration is responsible for our debt load today but that is entirely untrue !
    In less than a year the Obama administration has accumulated 18% of the overall debt. We have not seen the impact of the so called Health Reform hit the books.
    Since the US currency will be devalued in the next 24 months, I am buying gold and donating my millions to charity. I can hide the Gold in a Swiss bank account and the Democrats cannot tax wealth that has been donated to charities.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tony1941 View Post
    In less than a year the Obama administration has accumulated 18% of the overall debt. We have not seen the impact of the so called Health Reform hit the books.
    Since the US currency will be devalued in the next 24 months, I am buying gold and donating my millions to charity. I can hide the Gold in a Swiss bank account and the Democrats cannot tax wealth that has been donated to charities.
    Then they'll just steal (er, confiscate for your own good) your gold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Amber View Post
    Then they'll just steal (er, confiscate for your own good) your gold.
    The gold will be in a Swiss bank account. (The courts in Switzerland have ruled that the banks in Switzerland cannot cooperate with foreign governments wanting information on the banks clients.) BTW Are you aware that the Swiss have twice has many guns/resident than any other country? The idea that the Swiss are easily intimidated seems to ignore their willingness to stand up for their principles.
    Regardless of the location of my pots of Gold, you best spend your money now before hyperinflation hits the market.
    I have some German postal stamps of the early 1920's with valuations of 5,000,000 DMs roughly 3 cents US.
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    I'm with you Tony.. Time to buy some gold and move it to Switzerland. I hear they have a bikini team too!!!

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